 M1 Garand Cage measurement. #9141757 08/31/14 | OP  Campfire Regular Joined: Jan 2008 Posts: 709 | I'thousand looking to buy an M1 Garand. The seller states the Muzzle to exist more than a 3 on a muzzle approximate. Is that something that I should consider? I don't recall ever hearing most a muzzle estimate. Any assistance is appreciated.
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| Re: M1 Garand Muzzle measurement. [Re: rondrews] #9141797 08/31/14 | Joined: Feb 2002 Posts: 32,044 bea175 Campfire Oracle | | Campfire Oracle Joined: Feb 2002 Posts: 32,044 | Muzzle estimate reads the clothing on the muzzle and yeah you should pay attending to that number. Here is how it reads. Carefully, so as non to impairment the barrel'south rifling or the gauge, insert the the gauge into the cage as shown. Read the approximate directly from the side. Find where the cage "falls" on the gauge.
0.0 indicates a .300 diameter bore, that is, .30 caliber, new, perfect.
0.5 is like new, .3005 quotient. Proper re-crowning will perfect the crown.
i.0 is excellent for a used barrel (.301 cal.) Re-crowning should brand it similar new.
1.5 is proficient (.3015 cal.). Proper re-crowning should arrive excellent.
2.0 is fair (.302 cal.). Proper re-crowning should brand it serviceable.
2.5 is poor (.3025 cal.). Proper re-crowning might make information technology serviceable.
3.0 or more is a "bald tire" and is now a British .303 caliber barrel. Replace barrel
A Doe walks out of the wood today and says, that is the last time I'k going to do that for Two Bucks. | | Re: M1 Garand Muzzle measurement. [Re: bea175] #9142020 08/31/xiv | Joined: Nov 2013 Posts: 40 Orlando8 New Member | | New Member Joined: Nov 2013 Posts: twoscore | Muzzle judge reads the wear on the muzzle and yep you should pay attending to that number. Here is how it reads. Carefully, and so as not to damage the butt'southward rifling or the judge, insert the the gauge into the muzzle as shown. Read the judge directly from the side. Observe where the cage "falls" on the gauge.
0.0 indicates a .300 diameter bore, that is, .30 quotient, new, perfect.
0.5 is like new, .3005 caliber. Proper re-crowning volition perfect the crown.
1.0 is excellent for a used barrel (.301 cal.) Re-crowning should make it like new.
ane.v is good (.3015 cal.). Proper re-crowning should make it excellent.
ii.0 is fair (.302 cal.). Proper re-crowning should make it serviceable.
2.v is poor (.3025 cal.). Proper re-crowning might get in serviceable.
3.0 or more is a "bald tire" and is now a British .303 caliber barrel. Replace barrel I concur with you lot on how to apply the gage but not with your descripion that a butt with ii.five is poor and a 3 is junk
I have personally gaged may unissued in wrap USGI barrrels and many gaged over 2.Very, very rarely practice you ever detect one that gages 0 new. I would estimate a one or more is boilerplate
While a barrel that gages a 3 may have had some rds through information technology , it is not even shut to being worn out. There are alot of other factors besides muzzle measurements that can affect accracy in a Garand Stock fit and lock upward is a huge factor
CMP Service Grades which are proably their best sellers the cage will judge "iii or less" and the throat erosion will estimate less than five. To the OP, Yous say the seller said it measures more than 3. I would enquire for a exact measuremsnt, past his clarification it could be a iv,5, etc Last edited by Orlando8; 08/31/14. | | Re: M1 Garand Cage measurement. [Re: bea175] #9142021 08/31/14 | Joined: May 2002 Posts: 8,961 Vic_in_Va Campfire Outfitter | | Campfire Outfitter Joined: May 2002 Posts: 8,961 | ME is more important the TE. I've seen some Garands with a TE of v that would shoot adept. bea175 has a good recommendation on the iii ME You lot can buy used, NOS, or aftermarket. I put an aftermarket on this on, made by Criterion. Just finished and put together. ![[Linked Image]](https://farm4.staticflickr.com/3781/8898173916_2c44ae8bbe_z.jpg) | | Re: M1 Garand Muzzle measurement. [Re: Orlando8] #9142250 08/31/xiv | Joined: Feb 2002 Posts: 32,044 bea175 Campfire Oracle | | Campfire Oracle Joined: Feb 2002 Posts: 32,044 | Barrels that estimate three or more take had to many steel cleaning rods that has acquired cage harm, than bullets downward the bore damage
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| Re: M1 Garand Muzzle measurement. [Re: bea175] #9142459 08/31/14 | Joined: Jun 2012 Posts: 1,305 Dustylongshot Campfire Regular | | Campfire Regular Joined: Jun 2012 Posts: i,305 | I totally concur with the plus 3 muzzle vesture existence junk. Muzzles don't wear from firing, they habiliment from forepart cleaning. Cleaning rod wear in the muzzle is not round or consistent and causes loss of accuracy. I have seen back bored barrels to correct this problem just it seldom works well. One in particular was dorsum bored so far the burglarize would not function properly. Any barrel gauging 3 needs to be replaced. | | Re: M1 Garand Cage measurement. [Re: Dustylongshot] #9142599 08/31/xiv | Joined: Nov 2013 Posts: forty Orlando8 New Member | | New Member Joined: Nov 2013 Posts: twoscore | I would like to know were you guys get your information about barrels being junk gageing over iii.
The specification given for �Breech Bore Rejection� is �Over 0.306� or a TE reading of 6 on a gage. No specification is even given for muzzle wear!
Besides saying vesture to the muzzle is all from steel cleaning rods and not from firing is some other internet myth
The muzzle volition actually degrade from firing equally the bullet leaves the butt the hot gases erode the muzzle
In the Jump 2009 Garand Collectors Journal they did a extensive examination to disprove this myth
It took 66,000 strokes of a bare steel segmented cleaning rod purposly drawing information technology on the side of the muzzle and only caused changed the wear reading by 1
They and so fired 7,000 rounds through the rifle. The muzzle gaged .6 and measured almost ii after firing the 7000 rds.
You tin clearly meet firing causes more erosion than a cleaning rod
If you are replacing barrels with MW of 3 ship them all to me!!! | | Re: M1 Garand Muzzle measurement. [Re: bea175] #9142616 08/31/14 | Joined: November 2013 Posts: twoscore Orlando8 New Member | | New Member Joined: Nov 2013 Posts: 40 | Muzzle gauge reads the clothing on the muzzle and yes you should pay attention to that number. Here is how it reads. Carefully, so as not to impairment the barrel's rifling or the gauge, insert the the estimate into the muzzle as shown. Read the gauge directly from the side. Discover where the muzzle "falls" on the approximate.
0.0 indicates a .300 diameter diameter, that is, .30 caliber, new, perfect.
0.five is like new, .3005 caliber. Proper re-crowning will perfect the crown.
i.0 is fantabulous for a used barrel (.301 cal.) Re-crowning should go far like new.
1.five is good (.3015 cal.). Proper re-crowning should brand it excellent.
2.0 is off-white (.302 cal.). Proper re-crowning should go far serviceable.
2.5 is poor (.3025 cal.). Proper re-crowning might make information technology serviceable.
3.0 or more is a "baldheaded tire" and is at present a British .303 caliber barrel. Supervene upon barrel You copied that from Fultons web site. You dont suppose they say barrels with such depression measurememts are wore out considering they sell barrels practise you??? | | Re: M1 Garand Cage measurement. [Re: Orlando8] #9142691 08/31/xiv | Joined: Jun 2012 Posts: 1,305 Dustylongshot Bivouac Regular | | Campfire Regular Joined: Jun 2012 Posts: 1,305 | Orlando8 you lot pay the freight and I will start sending them to you.
If you lot recollect that shooting an M1 is what wears the cage out your sadly mistaken. I accept a stack of used Stainless steel varmint barrels I have changed out and they have the throat worn and so much y'all cannot touch the lands with a bullet but the muzzle is withal perfect. These barrels are in 223 22-250 220 Swift which are much harder on barrels then an 06 in a M1. I purchased twenty new in the wrap barrels from the CMP a few years ago all are dated in the early 50'southward and when you gauge them nearly measure 1.5. | | Re: M1 Garand Muzzle measurement. [Re: Dustylongshot] #9142725 08/31/14 | Joined: Nov 2013 Posts: 40 Orlando8 New Member | | New Member Joined: November 2013 Posts: twoscore | I seriously dubiousness the GCA is making this up, they went to great lengths to practise the testing.
Forget about the steel rod /muzzle wear arguement. Wheres the poroof that barrels are wore out with MW of 3? I'll gladly pay the shipping for any Garand barrel that isnt pitted ,doesnt not take a nighttime diameter, with a Muzzle wearable of three. Let me know how many you take and what shipping cost is |
| Re: M1 Garand Muzzle measurement. [Re: Orlando8] #9142765 08/31/xiv | Joined: Jun 2012 Posts: 1,305 Dustylongshot Bivouac Regular | | Bivouac Regular Joined: Jun 2012 Posts: 1,305 | I have been a member of the GCA since shortly after it's inception.
I am well enlightened of what wears a muzzle and to believe it is from firing is pure nonsense. Information technology is hard to believe that simply M1'southward can wear muzzles when none of the other rifles shooting the 30-06 do. I take been the possessor and operator of a Gun Shop for 30 years and I take never taken a muzzle worn out barrel off of anything but M1's. Damaged yes. Ever expect at an FN49? They provide a rear port door so you can clean from the rear also it is a popular modification to the Ruger 10/22. All to protect the muzzle from cleaning rod wear. | | Re: M1 Garand Muzzle measurement. [Re: Dustylongshot] #9142811 08/31/xiv | Joined: February 2002 Posts: 32,044 bea175 Campfire Oracle | | Campfire Oracle Joined: February 2002 Posts: 32,044 | I personally wouldn't pay top price for any MI Garand that gauged 3 or over, but do what you like it is your money. What is the acceptable accuracy level you wait from a 3 or over gauged Garand barrel ?
A Doe walks out of the forest today and says, that is the last fourth dimension I'yard going to do that for Ii Bucks. | | Re: M1 Garand Cage measurement. [Re: bea175] #9143323 09/01/fourteen | Joined: Jan 2008 Posts: 709 rondrews OP Campfire Regular | | OP Campfire Regular Joined: Jan 2008 Posts: 709 | Thanks, people. You take answered my question, but with some disagreement. I am not too concerned with accuracy. I merely want to buy one for old times sake. I used an M1 in Korea when I was in the Marine corps. If I shoot information technology, it would be but for fun. at least I now empathize what my question was.
Better to be over the hill than under it. | | Re: M1 Garand Muzzle measurement. [Re: bea175] #9143331 09/01/14 | Joined: Nov 2013 Posts: 40 Orlando8 New Member | | New Fellow member Joined: Nov 2013 Posts: forty | I personally wouldn't pay top price for whatsoever MI Garand that gauged iii or over, merely exercise what you lot similar information technology is your money. What is the acceptable accurateness level you look from a iii or over gauged Garand butt ? People are way to hung up on the MW/TW measurements. No i even paid any attention to them until CMP started using them just so they could seperate rifles into dissimilar grades
The proof is in the firing of the rifle not in the numbers.
Is a burglarize that measures 0 worth the aforementioned that measures 3?? Maybe not "but" to say a barrel is worn out at 3 southward completely rediculous. That rifle should notwithstanding shoot 3-4 inches groups at 100 which all the Garand was required to do anyhow. Last edited by Orlando8; 09/01/14. | | Re: M1 Garand Muzzle measurement. [Re: Orlando8] #9143333 09/01/14 | Joined: Nov 2013 Posts: twoscore Orlando8 New Fellow member | | New Fellow member Joined: November 2013 Posts: 40 | I patiently await the large shipment of Garand barrels |
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